Dr. Alisha Lola Jones and Dr. Kyle Adams converse about 'Flaming? The Peculiar Theopolitics of Fire and Desire in Black Male Gospel Performance.' Dr. Jones's recent book draws from multiple disciplines including ethnomusicology, gender studies, music performance, and sexuality. In this episode she discusses the experiences and observances that led her to research blackness and gender expression through black male gospel performance. We hear about gender roles, challenges of and to queerness, and how slavery and the black experience in America relate to black Pentecostal church experiences.